Request Discovery And Jurisdiction
Summary
To request discovery, submit a formal written request to aps, distinct from a public records request. Cite rcw 42.56 and wac 388-01 for due process rights. Notify aps of intent to sue for procedural failures, lack of evidence, and jurisdictional objections. Argue that without evidence, aps cannot substantiate claims or establish jurisdiction, warranting dismissal. Consult an attorney for personalized advice.Full Conversation
not to aps yet but to public records
It sounds like you are seeking the APS investigative file through a public records request. In Washington, under the *Public Records Act (RCW *.*)*:
- You can request records directly from APS or the relevant agency.
- The agency must respond within five business days.
Have you submitted a formal written public records request yet?
- You can request records directly from APS or the relevant agency.
- The agency must respond within five business days.
Have you submitted a formal written public records request yet?
yes and they need 15 days
It seems the agency responded, indicating they need 15 days to process your public records request. Under Washington's Public Records Act (RCW *.*), agencies can extend the timeframe if they provide a valid reason. If the delay hinders your appeal, you may request expedited processing.
Have they provided a reason for the extension?
Have they provided a reason for the extension?
no just that they can and now i want to request discovery or drop
If you want to request discovery or drop the appeal, here’s some general guidance:
- **Requesting Discovery**: Discovery allows you to obtain relevant evidence. In the appeal process, you can formally request the investigative file and evidence from APS. Ensure to submit a written request specific to your case.
- **Dropping the Appeal**: If you decide to withdraw, notify the relevant agency or appeals body in writing to formally withdraw your appeal.
Would you like guidance on drafting a discovery request or withdrawal notice?
- **Requesting Discovery**: Discovery allows you to obtain relevant evidence. In the appeal process, you can formally request the investigative file and evidence from APS. Ensure to submit a written request specific to your case.
- **Dropping the Appeal**: If you decide to withdraw, notify the relevant agency or appeals body in writing to formally withdraw your appeal.
Would you like guidance on drafting a discovery request or withdrawal notice?
no they need to withdrawl with out the case file they cant prove anything
Under Washington law, APS must provide evidence for substantiated findings if it's used against you in an appeal. Without disclosure, you can argue that due process is violated. Consider filing a motion to dismiss the substantiation based on lack of evidence. Would you like general guidance on drafting this motion?
no first i want to request my discovery
To request discovery in Washington, you can take the following steps:
- Draft a formal written discovery request addressed to APS.
- Specify the documents you are seeking, such as the investigative file, evidence used, and basis for findings.
- Reference your case number (e.g., APS Case #*‑PRR‑*).
- Send your request via certified mail or another method to confirm receipt.
Would you like guidance on how to format this request?
- Draft a formal written discovery request addressed to APS.
- Specify the documents you are seeking, such as the investigative file, evidence used, and basis for findings.
- Reference your case number (e.g., APS Case #*‑PRR‑*).
- Send your request via certified mail or another method to confirm receipt.
Would you like guidance on how to format this request?
do i start with hello aps i have requested public records it was denyed and under appeal review so i will need a continuance of the prehearing in oct. if the records are expent and cannot be discloes without presenting evidence to prove the alligaitons the case lacks jurisdiction and violanted my due process warenting a dismissal. under rcq7434 and rcw4256 and wac38801 aos is required to disclose investigative records used to support the finding, at this time aps has provided no evidence, no investigative notes, and no explanation of alleged condect I am request immediate discose of the file including all evidence aps intends to rely on at the hearing or with drawl of the substantiated finding as aps cannot meet burden of proof with out providing the evidence required for due process. if aps continues to withold the records, i will notfy OAH and file motion to continue, motion to compel and a die process objection
To request discovery effectively, you can begin your letter with a professional tone. Here's a concise draft for your request:
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**Subject:** Discovery Request for APS Case #*-PRR-*
Dear APS,
I am formally requesting discovery for APS Case #*-PRR-*. Specifically, I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and the basis for substantiated findings. Failure to provide these records violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*.
Please disclose all relevant documents immediately or withdraw the substantiated finding. I reserve the right to file motions to compel discovery, continue, or object based on due process violations.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
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**Subject:** Discovery Request for APS Case #*-PRR-*
Dear APS,
I am formally requesting discovery for APS Case #*-PRR-*. Specifically, I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and the basis for substantiated findings. Failure to provide these records violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*.
Please disclose all relevant documents immediately or withdraw the substantiated finding. I reserve the right to file motions to compel discovery, continue, or object based on due process violations.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
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how do i differentiate this from a public records request that is pending
In Washington, a **discovery request** is separate from a **public records request**. Here's how they differ:
- **Public Records Request**: Made under RCW *.* to access general public records.
- **Discovery Request**: Specifically requests evidence related to a legal proceeding or appeal.
Would you like guidance on how to phrase your discovery request to highlight this distinction?
- **Public Records Request**: Made under RCW *.* to access general public records.
- **Discovery Request**: Specifically requests evidence related to a legal proceeding or appeal.
Would you like guidance on how to phrase your discovery request to highlight this distinction?
yes
To distinguish your discovery request from a public records request, you can use the following phrasing:
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**Subject:** Discovery Request for APS Case #*-PRR-*
Dear APS,
I am submitting this **discovery request** related to APS Case #*-PRR-*, distinct from my pending public records request. This request pertains specifically to evidence required for my appeal. I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and basis for the substantiated findings.
Failure to disclose these documents violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*. Immediate disclosure is necessary for my participation in the appeal process. Please prioritize this request accordingly.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
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Let me know if you need further clarification!
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**Subject:** Discovery Request for APS Case #*-PRR-*
Dear APS,
I am submitting this **discovery request** related to APS Case #*-PRR-*, distinct from my pending public records request. This request pertains specifically to evidence required for my appeal. I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and basis for the substantiated findings.
Failure to disclose these documents violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*. Immediate disclosure is necessary for my participation in the appeal process. Please prioritize this request accordingly.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
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how do i say i am going to sue them and what can i sue them for
In Washington, you may sue a government agency like APS generally under claims such as violation of due process or failure to comply with legal obligations. Here's how to state your intent:
- Inform them of potential legal action due to failure to disclose required evidence.
- Specify violations, e.g., RCW *.* (Public Records Act) or due process rights.
- Seek legal advice for a lawsuit's viability.
Would you like guidance on drafting a formal notice of intent to sue?
- Inform them of potential legal action due to failure to disclose required evidence.
- Specify violations, e.g., RCW *.* (Public Records Act) or due process rights.
- Seek legal advice for a lawsuit's viability.
Would you like guidance on drafting a formal notice of intent to sue?
yes i believe they have failed the procedures and cost me time and money defending myself on false claims and legal actions for lack of jurisdiction is this rigght
Under Washington law, you may have valid claims if APS failed to provide evidence, violating due process or RCW *.*. To sue, you might consider claims like procedural violations or lack of jurisdiction. Consulting an attorney is essential for potential recovery of damages. Would you like help drafting a notice of intent?
so how do i phrase that in my letter
Here’s a concise draft for a **Notice of Intent to Sue**:
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**Subject:** Notice of Intent to Sue – APS Case #*-PRR-*
Dear APS,
I am notifying you of my intent to pursue legal action due to procedural failures in APS Case #*-PRR-*. Your failure to disclose the investigative file and evidence violates RCW *.*, WAC *-*, and my due process rights.
This has caused unnecessary costs, delays, and harm while defending against substantiated claims without jurisdiction. If immediate disclosure or withdrawal of the finding is not addressed, I will proceed with legal action.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
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Let me know if you need further assistance!
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**Subject:** Notice of Intent to Sue – APS Case #*-PRR-*
Dear APS,
I am notifying you of my intent to pursue legal action due to procedural failures in APS Case #*-PRR-*. Your failure to disclose the investigative file and evidence violates RCW *.*, WAC *-*, and my due process rights.
This has caused unnecessary costs, delays, and harm while defending against substantiated claims without jurisdiction. If immediate disclosure or withdrawal of the finding is not addressed, I will proceed with legal action.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
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Let me know if you need further assistance!
where do i put that with this I am submitting this **discovery request** related to APS Case #*-PRR-*, distinct from my pending public records request. This request pertains specifically to evidence required for my appeal. I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and basis for the substantiated findings.
Failure to disclose these documents violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*. Immediate disclosure is necessary for my participation in the appeal process.Please disclose all relevant documents immediately or withdraw the substantiated finding. I reserve the right to file motions to compel discovery, continue, or object based on due process violations.
To combine your **discovery request** and **notice of intent to sue**, structure the letter clearly by separating the two sections. Here's an example:
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**Subject:** Discovery Request and Notice of Intent to Sue – APS Case #*-PRR-*
**Dear APS,**
I am submitting this **discovery request** related to APS Case #*-PRR-*, distinct from my pending public records request. This request pertains specifically to evidence required for my appeal. I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and basis for the substantiated findings.
Failure to disclose these documents violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*. Immediate disclosure is necessary for my participation in the appeal process. Please disclose all relevant documents immediately or withdraw the substantiated finding. I reserve the right to file motions to compel discovery, continue, or object based on due process violations.
Additionally, I am notifying you of my **intent to pursue legal action** due to procedural failures in APS Case #*-PRR-*. Your failure to disclose the investigative file and evidence violates RCW *.*, WAC *-*, and my due process rights. This has caused unnecessary costs
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**Subject:** Discovery Request and Notice of Intent to Sue – APS Case #*-PRR-*
**Dear APS,**
I am submitting this **discovery request** related to APS Case #*-PRR-*, distinct from my pending public records request. This request pertains specifically to evidence required for my appeal. I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and basis for the substantiated findings.
Failure to disclose these documents violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*. Immediate disclosure is necessary for my participation in the appeal process. Please disclose all relevant documents immediately or withdraw the substantiated finding. I reserve the right to file motions to compel discovery, continue, or object based on due process violations.
Additionally, I am notifying you of my **intent to pursue legal action** due to procedural failures in APS Case #*-PRR-*. Your failure to disclose the investigative file and evidence violates RCW *.*, WAC *-*, and my due process rights. This has caused unnecessary costs
what about they lack jurisdiction
In Washington, if APS lacks jurisdiction, you can argue that any actions or findings they’ve made are invalid. In your letter, you can state that without providing evidence to support their jurisdiction or claims, the case should be dismissed. Would you like help phrasing this point in your letter?
yes
Here’s how you can include the jurisdiction argument in your letter:
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**Subject:** Discovery Request, Notice of Intent to Sue, and Jurisdictional Objection – APS Case #*-PRR-*
**Dear APS,**
I am submitting this **discovery request** related to APS Case #*-PRR-*, distinct from my pending public records request. This request pertains specifically to evidence required for my appeal. I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and basis for the substantiated findings.
Failure to disclose these documents violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*. Immediate disclosure is necessary for my participation in the appeal process. Please disclose all relevant documents immediately or withdraw the substantiated finding. I reserve the right to file motions to compel discovery, continue, or object based on due process violations.
Additionally, I am notifying you of my **intent to pursue legal action** due to procedural failures in APS Case #*-PRR-*. Your failure to disclose the investigative file and evidence violates RCW *.*, WAC *-*, and my due process rights. This has caused unnecessary costs, delays, and harm defending against unsupported claims
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**Subject:** Discovery Request, Notice of Intent to Sue, and Jurisdictional Objection – APS Case #*-PRR-*
**Dear APS,**
I am submitting this **discovery request** related to APS Case #*-PRR-*, distinct from my pending public records request. This request pertains specifically to evidence required for my appeal. I request the full investigative file, evidence relied upon, and basis for the substantiated findings.
Failure to disclose these documents violates due process under RCW *.* and WAC *-*. Immediate disclosure is necessary for my participation in the appeal process. Please disclose all relevant documents immediately or withdraw the substantiated finding. I reserve the right to file motions to compel discovery, continue, or object based on due process violations.
Additionally, I am notifying you of my **intent to pursue legal action** due to procedural failures in APS Case #*-PRR-*. Your failure to disclose the investigative file and evidence violates RCW *.*, WAC *-*, and my due process rights. This has caused unnecessary costs, delays, and harm defending against unsupported claims
is there more
It seems like you want to ensure your letter addresses all points, including their lack of jurisdiction. Here's the continuation to include that argument:
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**Furthermore**, I object to APS's jurisdiction in this matter. Without providing the investigative file or evidence to support the allegations or establish jurisdiction, APS cannot substantiate their claims. The lack of evidence undermines the case and warrants dismissal due to the violation of procedural and due process rights.
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Let me know if you'd like further help refining your letter!
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**Furthermore**, I object to APS's jurisdiction in this matter. Without providing the investigative file or evidence to support the allegations or establish jurisdiction, APS cannot substantiate their claims. The lack of evidence undermines the case and warrants dismissal due to the violation of procedural and due process rights.
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Let me know if you'd like further help refining your letter!
what is my body header and footer look like
Your letter’s structure and format should include the following:
Header
- **Subject:** Clearly state the purpose (e.g., **Discovery Request, Notice of Intent to Sue, and Jurisdictional Objection – APS Case #*-PRR-***).
- **Recipient:** Address it to APS or the relevant agency.
- **Date:** Include the date at the top.
- **Your Contact Info:** Name, address, phone number, and email.
- **Subject:** Clearly state the purpose (e.g., **Discovery Request, Notice of Intent to Sue, and Jurisdictional Objection – APS Case #*-PRR-***).
- **Recipient:** Address it to APS or the relevant agency.
- **Date:** Include the date at the top.
- **Your Contact Info:** Name, address, phone number, and email.
Body
- **Section *:** Discovery request – Detail the specific documents you are requesting, referencing RCW *.* and WAC *-*.
- **Section *:** Notice of intent to sue – State the procedural failures and harm caused.
- **Section *:** Jurisdictional objection – Argue the lack of jurisdiction and request dismissal.
- **Section *:** Discovery request – Detail the specific documents you are requesting, referencing RCW *.* and WAC *-*.
- **Section *:** Notice of intent to sue – State the procedural failures and harm caused.
- **Section *:** Jurisdictional objection – Argue the lack of jurisdiction and request dismissal.
Footer
- **Closing:** Use a professional closure (e.g., "Sincerely, [Your Name]").
- **Attachments (if any):** Note any supporting documents attached.
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- **Closing:** Use a professional closure (e.g., "Sincerely, [Your Name]").
- **Attachments (if any):** Note any supporting documents attached.
Let me know if you need further assistance!