Retroactive Child Support Explanation

Summary

Retroactive child support covers periods before the order date, temporary support is during the case, and normal support is ongoing. If a judge confuses these, you can file a motion to clarify. If denied, consider appealing or consulting a family law attorney. Document all proceedings and request written orders for verbal statements.

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So pretend that you are mean. You are the petitioner. trying to get the judge to order the non custodial parent respondent to pay retroactive child support. And at the same time, explaining the difference between the three. Also explaining why. it would be wrong. if he is not ordered to pay retroactive child support she will literally be letting him get away. and chip presiding harming three children.
I'm happy to assist you in understanding how to present your case for retroactive child support. Here's a concise explanation:
- **Retroactive Child Support**: Payment for the period before the initial support order. It's essential to cover the non-custodial parent’s financial responsibility from the child's birth until the order date.
- **Temporary Child Support**: Support ordered during the case's pendency, ensuring immediate needs are met until the final decision.
- **Normal Child Support**: Regular, ongoing payments for the child's upbringing, continuing until adulthood or as specified.
Importance of Retroactive Child Support:
- **Fairness**: Ensures the non-custodial parent fulfills their financial obligation from the child's birth.
- **Child's Well-being**: Addresses any financial gaps that have impacted the child's upbringing.
- **Preventing Harm**: Without it, the non-custodial parent avoids responsibility, potentially harming the children's future.
In Illinois, the court can order retroactive child support if it’s in the child's best interest and fair to both parties.
Because the judge that is. handling my case clearly doesn't seem to understand the difference between the three. and refuses to order the response. and to pay retroactive child support Despite the evidence being presented to her, would she doesn't even look at I also found an error court order court order that was mistakenly put into my court file. meaning it's direct evidence that this judge does not look at the court file, does not look at anything that is presented
I'm sorry to hear about your situation. It sounds very frustrating. Have you considered filing a motion to reconsider or appeal the judge's decision? This could be a way to address the judge's misunderstanding and the error in the court file.
No, I wanna know your opinion and the situation. What I just stated is. this normal
I understand your frustration. It's not typical for a judge to misunderstand the differences between retroactive, temporary, and normal child support, as these are fundamental concepts in family law.

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Consider seeking legal advice to explore filing a motion to reconsider or an appeal.
Discharge while the opposing party you. ed that. mistaken court order that was put into our file. to their advantage. They did not provide copy of it to the judge. but they falsely stated that this case was taken off couple. Now knowing that it was a mistake and it was not for our case. And the judge made her ruling based on false information. Written in a pretrial memorandum. now that I've been aware of it. I did file to have it expunged from the court file. but again, it clearly shows that this judge is making rulings based on false inaccurate information, basically hearsay. and does not make rulings based on actual evidence.
I'm sorry to hear about the challenges you're facing.
To address the issue of the mistaken court order:
- **Motion to Reconsider**: File this motion to ask the judge to re-evaluate the decision based on the correct information.
- **Appeal**: If the motion to reconsider is denied, consider appealing the decision to a higher court.
Have you consulted with a family law attorney about these options?
I'm not asking you what should I file what should I'm asking your opinion in this type of situation when a judge does this kind of stuff and it's gonna be very easy. to prove that this judge Made her rulings based on false information. Now that the error court order will be expunged, she will be. the one needing to expend it from the court file. and also prove that the opposing party committed fraud on the court by falsely claiming without presenting any documented evidence.
Thank you for providing detailed information. It sounds like a very challenging situation. In my opinion, it is indeed concerning if a judge is making rulings based on incorrect or incomplete information. Here are a few steps that can be considered in such a scenario:
- **Document Everything**: Keep detailed records of all proceedings, filings, and any errors or discrepancies you notice.
- **Motion to Reconsider**: As previously mentioned, filing a motion to reconsider could be a way to bring the correct information to the judge's attention.
- **Consult with an Attorney**: An experienced family law attorney can provide tailored advice and represent your interests effectively in court.
Would you like more information on any of these steps?
So what is it called? When the opposing party. meaning the respondent and their attorney. make false claim, written claims without presenting any documented evidence And the judge believes it. But then. the petitioner has actual documents to. prove. that the opposing party is lying.
It sounds like you're describing a situation that can be considered **fraud upon the court**. This occurs when one party intentionally misleads the court with false information or evidence, and the court makes a decision based on that misinformation.
Would you like more information on how to address fraud upon the court in Illinois?
OK, so let's say that that. this mistake in court order was put into my case file. on November * * But on November * *. As I was unaware of this order in my court file, the opposing party and his attorney had a copy of it, but never presented it to the judge as evidence. They only. falsely stated. that our case was taken off call and that the court was forced to stop temporary child support The clerk could have not provided any documents to back up their claims. and it also proves that the judge does not look at the court file because she would have seen the evidence if she would have looked at the court file. What she has access to
I understand your frustration with the situation. Here are some general steps you might consider:
- **Motion to Reconsider**: File this to ask the judge to review the decision based on correct information.
- **Appeal**: If the motion is denied, consider an appeal.
- **Document Everything**: Keep detailed records of discrepancies and evidence.
Would you like more information on any of these steps?
No, you're not understanding me. So now that I'm aware of this mistake in court order and have. filed to have it removed from my court case file. How or what do I file to point out all the lies that were written in the pretrial memorandum? by the opposing party meaning that they brung fraud upon the court? Nothing they stated was accurate or is accurate. It was actually misleading and lying.
I apologize for any misunderstanding. To address the lies in the pretrial memorandum and highlight the fraud:
- **Motion for Sanctions**: File this to request the court to impose sanctions on the opposing party for misleading the court.
- **Supplemental Memorandum**: Submit a memorandum detailing the inaccuracies and supporting evidence.
Would you like more information on filing these motions?
No, I wanna file fraud upon the court, pointing out every. thing that was misleading in the pretrial memorandum.
I understand your concern. To address fraud upon the court and point out misleading information in the pretrial memorandum in Illinois, you can consider:
- **Motion for Sanctions**: Request the court to sanction the opposing party for their misleading actions.
- **Motion to Strike**: File this to have the false statements removed from the court record.
Would you like more information on how to file these motions?
I actually discovered the mistaken. court order that was put in my case file. on December * * So I file a motion to have it removed. from my case file providing evidence that it was an error. It was put into my case by mistake. by the state's attorney, despite not having a state's attorney involved in this case, So on January * * when I attempted to present it to the judge, she was not there. Her coordinator was there and her court coordinator mentioned that the judge directed her to save it for the pretrial that's in April where I stated to the coordinator she wants me to hold it until the pretrial is just to remove an error from my case file. Why would she wanna hold it that far? Does this make sense?
I understand your concern. It can be frustrating to wait for a pretrial to correct a mistake. Here are some considerations:
- **Judicial Discretion**: Judges have discretion in managing their court schedules and deciding when to hear motions.
- **Pretrial Preparation**: The judge might want to address all issues comprehensively at the pretrial.
Would you like more information on how to expedite this process?
Disjudge stated. that my retroactive has already been taken care of the other parent was not ordered to pay retroactive at all. So I don't know what retroactive she's speaking about. And she also seems to have mistaken regular child support payments. with the retroactive child support and temporary child support
I'm sorry to hear about your situation. It sounds very frustrating. To clarify the differences for the judge, you could explain:
- **Retroactive Child Support**: Payment for the period before the initial support order.
- **Temporary Child Support**: Support ordered during the case's pendency.
- **Normal Child Support**: Ongoing regular payments.
Have you considered seeking legal advice to address this issue?
The judge also seems. to think that she can state that I don't understand when I clearly do understand. she's trying to pull a fast one on me and allowing the other parents to get away without having to pay a retroactive child support. I also know that Illinois has a state statute law that for example, if the non custodial parents bank statements are clearly showing that he is transferring all his money to the girlfriends bank account that that girlfriends bank records would be relevant In this case for that. reason? is that true? Yes or no? And if you were a lawyer, representing me as the petitioner in this case what would you say to the judge?
It can be possible to request the girlfriend's bank records if they are relevant to proving the non-custodial parent's income or assets. Here’s what I would say to the judge:
- **Illinois Law**: It permits discovery of third-party financial records if they are essential to proving relevant facts.
- **Relevance**: The girlfriend's bank records can show intentional evasion of financial responsibilities.
Would you like more information on how to request these records?
And if the judge falsely claims to have had. discussed the girlfriend's records and just denies out denies the request for the girlfriend's record without. Any discussion and you were my attorney. What would you say to. the judge, especially when the non custodial parents record. s show direct proof that all his money is being. transferred to the girlfriend, for example, when his paycheck gets deposited into his account, it immediately gets transferred to the girlfriend. If he gets a sell payment from somebody Let's say, for $* is Bing. Records clearly show that. amount is immediately transferred to the girlfriend's account, leaving his account with. nothing
It sounds like you're facing a challenging situation. Here's what I would suggest saying to the judge:
- **Relevance and Fairness**: "Your Honor, the non-custodial parent’s bank records clearly show all funds being transferred to the girlfriend’s account. To ensure a fair assessment of financial responsibility, it is crucial to review her bank records."
Would you like more information on how to present this argument effectively?
yes
To present this argument effectively, consider the following steps:
- **Prepare Evidence**: Gather all relevant bank records showing the transfers from the non-custodial parent to the girlfriend.
- **Legal Basis**: Cite Illinois law that supports the discovery of third-party financial records when relevant.
- **Formal Request**: File a formal motion requesting the girlfriend’s bank records, emphasizing their relevance to the case.
Would you like a template for the motion?
yes
Here's a basic template for requesting the girlfriend's bank records:
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**[Your Name]**
[Your Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
[Phone Number]
[Email Address]
**[Date]**
**[Court Name]**
[Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
**Re: [Your Case Title/Number]**
**Motion to Compel Discovery of Third-Party Financial Records**
**To the Honorable Judge [Judge’s Name],**
I, [Your Name], respectfully submit this Motion to Compel Discovery of Third-Party Financial Records in the above-referenced case.
**Statement of Facts:**
*. I am the petitioner in this case involving child support.
*. The non-custodial parent, [Respondent’s Name], has been transferring substantial funds to his girlfriend’s bank account.
*. These transfers are evidenced by the attached bank statements, which show regular, immediate transfers from [Respondent’s Name] to [Girlfriend’s Name].
**Argument:**
- Under Illinois law, discovery of third-party financial records is permitted when they are essential to proving relevant facts in the case.
- The girlfriend’s bank records are crucial to determining the non-custodial
And if you were my attorney. what would you state in that motion? to the judge. meeting if she denies these bank records of the girlfriend. What is she doing?
I understand your situation. If the judge denies the request for the girlfriend's bank records, you might include the following in your motion:
- **Obstruction of Justice**: "Your Honor, denying access to the girlfriend’s bank records obstructs a complete and fair assessment of the non-custodial parent's financial situation."
- **Relevance and Fairness**: "The records are directly relevant to the case, as they show potential evasion of financial responsibility."
Would you like more information on how to proceed if the motion is denied?
Meaning, what would you state in the motion itself? if she denies it?
If the judge denies the motion, you can consider including the following in your motion:
**[Your Name]**
[Your Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
[Phone Number]
[Email Address]
**[Date]**
**[Court Name]**
[Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
**Re: [Your Case Title/Number]**
**Motion to Reconsider Denial of Discovery Request**
**To the Honorable Judge [Judge’s Name],**
I, [Your Name], respectfully submit this Motion to Reconsider the Denial of Discovery Request regarding the girlfriend’s bank records in the above-referenced case.
**Statement of Facts:**
*. I am the petitioner in this case involving child support.
*. The non-custodial parent, [Respondent’s Name], has been transferring substantial funds to his girlfriend’s bank account.
*. These transfers are evidenced by the attached bank statements, which show regular, immediate transfers from [Respondent’s Name] to [Girlfriend’s Name].
**Argument:**
- **Relevance and Fairness**: The girlfriend’s bank records are directly relevant to the case, as they show potential evasion of financial responsibility. Denying access to
No, I have a question. Would it be appropriate for me? to state as a self representing petitioner in the middle of my motion to compel the girlfriend's records? when it comes to obstruction of justice to state your honor denying access? to the girlfriend's bank records obstructs a complete and fair assessment of the non custodial parent's financial situation.
Yes, it would be appropriate to state that in your motion. Here’s a suggested way to phrase it:
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**[Your Name]**
[Your Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
[Phone Number]
[Email Address]
**[Date]**
**[Court Name]**
[Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
**Re: [Your Case Title/Number]**
**Motion to Compel Discovery of Third-Party Financial Records**
**To the Honorable Judge [Judge’s Name],**
I, [Your Name], respectfully submit this Motion to Compel Discovery of Third-Party Financial Records in the above-referenced case.
**Statement of Facts:**
*. I am the petitioner in this case involving child support.
*. The non-custodial parent, [Respondent’s Name], has been transferring substantial funds to his girlfriend’s bank account.
*. These transfers are evidenced by the attached bank statements, which show regular, immediate transfers from [Respondent’s Name] to [Girlfriend’s Name].
**Argument:**
- Under Illinois law, discovery of third-party financial records is permitted when they are essential to proving relevant facts in the case.
- The girlfriend’s bank records are
OK, now let's change the subject to another motion. For retroactive child support payments. explaining the difference between retro. active child support, temporary child support and normal child support. Straightforwardly, the difference between the * and What is the judge be also obstructing? Justice by refusing to order the respondent to pay the retroactive child support stating that retroactive has already been handled when there is no retroactive.
Sure, here are the differences between the three types of child support and how to address a judge's refusal to order retroactive child support:
- **Retroactive Child Support**: Payment for the period before the initial support order was established.
- **Temporary Child Support**: Support ordered during the case's pendency to meet immediate needs until the final decision.
- **Normal Child Support**: Ongoing, regular payments for the child's upbringing, continuing until adulthood or as specified.
Addressing the Judge's Refusal:
If a judge refuses to order retroactive child support, you can argue:
- **Obstruction of Justice**: "Your Honor, refusing to order retroactive child support when it has not been previously addressed prevents a complete and fair assessment of financial obligations and may harm the child's well-being by ignoring past financial responsibilities."
Would you like more information on how to file this motion?
yes
Here's a basic template for a motion to compel retroactive child support payments:
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**[Your Name]**
[Your Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
[Phone Number]
[Email Address]
**[Date]**
**[Court Name]**
[Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
**Re: [Your Case Title/Number]**
**Motion to Compel Retroactive Child Support Payments**
**To the Honorable Judge [Judge’s Name],**
I, [Your Name], respectfully submit this Motion to Compel Retroactive Child Support Payments in the above-referenced case.
**Statement of Facts:**
*. I am the petitioner in this case involving child support.
*. The non-custodial parent, [Respondent’s Name], has not been ordered to pay retroactive child support.
*. The need for retroactive, temporary, and normal child support has not been adequately addressed.
**Explanation of Terms:**
- **Retroactive Child Support**: Payment for the period before the initial support order was established.
- **Temporary Child Support**: Support ordered during the case’s pendency to meet immediate needs until the final decision.
- **Normal Child Support**: Ongoing,
No, you're not understanding this church stated. that retroactive has already been handled in my case when it has not She stated that. I was attempting to rear. gue when child support payments. should be ordered from what date? she did not mention retroactive temporary or normal Now she's confusing all of that with normal child support payments.
I understand your frustration. Here's a more focused template for addressing the judge's confusion and refusal to order retroactive child support:
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**[Your Name]**
[Your Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
[Phone Number]
[Email Address]
**[Date]**
**[Court Name]**
[Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
**Re: [Your Case Title/Number]**
**Motion to Clarify and Compel Retroactive Child Support Payments**
**To the Honorable Judge [Judge’s Name],**
I, [Your Name], respectfully submit this Motion to Clarify and Compel Retroactive Child Support Payments in the above-referenced case.
**Statement of Facts:**
*. I am the petitioner in this case involving child support.
*. The court has not clearly differentiated between retroactive, temporary, and normal child support in its orders.
*. The non-custodial parent, [Respondent’s Name], has not been ordered to pay retroactive child support, contrary to what has been stated.
**Explanation of Terms:**
- **Retroactive Child Support**: Payment for the period before the initial support order was established.
- **Temporary Child Support**: Support ordered
So I have some questions about retroactive child support payments. So let's say that I'm requesting retract. ive child support payments from April *. *. the judge. ordered regular child support payments on. November *. * The non custodial parent was ordered to pay temporary child support from June *.
I understand your situation. Here are the key points to address in your motion:
**Motion to Compel Retroactive Child Support Payments:**
**[Your Name]**
[Your Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
[Phone Number]
[Email Address]
**[Date]**
**[Court Name]**
[Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
**Re: [Your Case Title/Number]**
**Motion to Clarify and Compel Retroactive Child Support Payments**
**To the Honorable Judge [Judge’s Name],**
I, [Your Name], respectfully submit this Motion to Clarify and Compel Retroactive Child Support Payments in the above-referenced case.
**Statement of Facts:**
*. I am the petitioner in this case involving child support.
*. The non-custodial parent, [Respondent’s Name], was ordered to pay temporary child support from June *.
*. Regular child support payments were ordered starting November *, *.
**Explanation of Terms:**
- **Retroactive Child Support**: Payment for the period before the initial support order was established (April *, *, to June *).
- **Temporary Child Support**: Support ordered during
Now I have some questions about this. So typically when. retroactive child support is requested from the date of filing for child support How does that work? So does the retroactive only go from, let's say, from the date I filed it? Let's say April * * Until the respondent was ordered to pay $* in temporary child support in June. of *.
Yes, typically, retroactive child support in Illinois can be requested from the date of filing for child support. Here’s how it works:
- **Retroactive Child Support**: Covers the period from April *, * (the date you filed) to June * (when temporary child support was ordered).
- **Temporary Child Support**: Payments ordered from June * until the final order.
- **Regular Child Support**: Ongoing payments starting from the final order date.
Would you like more information on how to file for retroactive child support?
But what if the non custodial parents actual monthly income is $*,*? And he was. only ordered to pay $* in temporary child support from June * until the judge ordered normal child support payments. on November * * So where does the retroactive stand at this point.
In your situation, here’s how the retroactive child support might be handled:
- **Retroactive Child Support**: You can request retroactive payments from April *, *, to June *, considering the non-custodial parent's income and the Illinois Child Support Guidelines.
- **Temporary Child Support**: From June * to November *, *, at $*/month.
- **Normal Child Support**: Payments starting November *, *, based on the non-custodial parent’s actual income.
Would you like more information on how to request an adjustment based on the non-custodial parent's income?
Now I have a situation here that I really need your opinion on and how would you handle it? In my case, if. the judge herself writes in the court order stating background at the time child support was set November * * Both consoles agreed about the date child support was to be calculated from. discord ruled that child support was. to be calculated from the date petitioners console filed the motion. for child support console for both parties entered an order of support which petitioner now seeks to relitigate Petitioner further seeks to reargue the issue as to what date Child support should be calculated from this court. declined to rehear that issue.
I understand your situation. Here's my opinion on how to handle it:
*. **Clarify the Judge's Order**: Ensure that the judge's order is clear about the date from which child support should be calculated.
*. **Motion for Clarification**: File a motion asking the judge to clarify the order if there is any confusion.
*. **Document Agreement**: If both parties initially agreed on the calculation date, ensure this agreement is documented and presented to the court.
Would you like a template for a motion for clarification?
Now, if you read. what I just read the judge wrote herself. Tell me where you see the problem. And if you were an attorney, how would you point that out? That retroactive child support payments are not mentioned. Temporary child support payments are not mentioned. And how would you point out? all of this as I was requesting retroactive child support payments from April * * and the judge twisting the words What do you think about it in your opinion? If you were an attorney, what would you do? And what would you state?
I understand the complexity of your situation. Here's how I would address the judge's order:
*. **Identify the Issue**: Highlight that the order does not mention retroactive or temporary child support payments.
*. **Clarify the Terms**: Explain the differences between retroactive, temporary, and normal child support.
*. **Point Out the Overlooked Request**: Clearly state that you requested retroactive child support from April *, *, which was not addressed.
Suggested Motion:
**[Your Name]**
[Your Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
[Phone Number]
[Email Address]
**[Date]**
**[Court Name]**
[Address]
[City, State, ZIP Code]
**Re: [Your Case Title/Number]**
**Motion for Clarification and Retroactive Child Support Payments**
**To the Honorable Judge [Judge’s Name],**
I, [Your Name], respectfully submit this Motion for Clarification and Retroactive Child Support Payments in the above-referenced case.
**Statement of Facts:**
*. I am the petitioner in this case involving child support.
*. The current court order dated November *, *, does not address
I also need your opinion to tell me yes or no. Is a child support judge supposed to be telling whether. it's the petitioner as in this case I'm the petitioner and the father is the respondent. to tell me that I don't understand. yes or no And then I will list what I wrote in my motion attempting to compel the girlfriends records in this case. Then you could tell me if the judge is correct that I don't understand. or the judge just doesn't want. and is actually helping the respondent in this case.
No, a judge is not supposed to make personal judgments about your understanding of the case. The judge should focus on the facts and legal arguments presented.
Please list what you wrote in your motion to compel the girlfriend's records, and I can help evaluate if the judge's response was appropriate.
Now Comes the Petitioner, Lula Korotkov, pro se, pursuant to the Illinois Civil Code of Procedure, and respectfully moves this Honorable Court to reconsider its order dated August *, *, denying the Petitioner’s request for discovery of the Respondent’s bank records from the recently discovered hidden bank account at Bank of America. In support of this motion, Petitioner states as follows: *. This case involves ongoing child support proceedings aimed at ensuring accurate child support payments and full coverage of educational expenses in the best interest of my three children. I have diligently sought discovery of Naser’s financial records from his recently discovered second hidden bank account to ensure precise calculation of child support payments and comprehensive coverage of educational expenses. This is to guarantee that my three children receive the proper support they deserve for their well-being and educational needs. *. Being fully aware that Naser was earning under-the-table income and hiding his true monthly earnings, I persistently informed the court. I presented documented evidence demonstrating income cycling, diversion, and concealment, along with proof of inconsistencies in his financial explanations and documentation of the two known sources of his under-the-table income. Despite this, the evidence was dismissed as insufficient on June *, *. *. On June *, *, while at the Daily Center for our pretrial, I properly obtained a stamped subpoena from the circuit clerk, which I then served on Bank of America. *. On July *, *, I became aware that I did, in fact, find Naser’s second hidden bank account at Bank of America. *. As emphasized by Illinois statute and rules, in an ongoing civil case, especially a child support case pertaining to child support payments and full coverage of educational expenses, I have the right to obtain a subpoena from the circuit clerk for Naser’s hidden bank account records. *. The court's ruling, first made on July *, *, LULA is granted leave to issue a Subpoena Duces Tecum to the Bank of America conditioned on the following: a. Said Subpoena shall be returnable to the Court, thus, all the documents in response to the Subpoena shall be sent only to the Honorable Judge Aimen, Courtroom * of the Richard Daley Center, * W Washington St., Chicago, Illinois *; and b. LULA shall provide proper notice to NASER through counsel. and reiterated on August *, *, regarding granting LULA leave to file a subpoena to Bank of America with the following conditions, remains in full force and effect: a. Said subpoena shall be returnable to the court, thus, all the documents in response to the subpoena shall be sent only to the Honorable Judge Aimen, Courtroom * of the Richard Daley Center, * W Washington St., Chicago, Illinois *; and b. LULA shall provide proper notice to NASER through counsel. *. This ruling is in contradiction of Rule *(a), which generally allows for the issuance of subpoenas without needing the judge’s permission, ensuring transparency and review opportunities for the issuing party. The order breaches Rule *(a) by requiring the judge’s permission for a subpoena. *. Additionally, the order contradicts Rule *(b) by implying that I should notify the respondent and his attorney. The responsibility for notification generally lies with the bank, not with the issuing party. *. Furthermore, the order violates Rule *(a) by directing that bank records be sent only to the judge. This contradicts standard practice as per Rule *(a), which calls for transparency and review opportunities for the issuing party. *. I was supposed to receive these bank records on July *, *, to ensure that the child support calculations were based on Naser’s actual monthly income and to guarantee full coverage of educational expenses for the boys, prioritizing their well-being and educational needs. However, these court orders have only helped Naser evade his responsibility. *. Yesterday, August *, *, I spoke with the legal department at Bank of America and was informed that the subpoena for Naser’s hidden bank records has been stalled. They are unable to submit physical records to the court, as they have never encountered such a request in a child support case. *. I also spoke with an attorney who expressed concern about the judge’s orders. He pointed out that these orders seem to place an undue financial burden on the children while preventing me from accessing crucial financial information, as the primary goal of child support is to ensure the well-being and educational needs of the children are met. He also noted how unusual it was for a judge to order that the children apply for student loans while simultaneously denying access to relevant financial records. According to the attorney, these orders appear to be an attempt to prevent me from obtaining necessary financial information and place a financial burden on the children. This clearly indicates that the children’s welfare and educational needs are not being prioritized. He also stated that the children should not be applying for student loans before Naser’s actual income is determined. *. The court orders listed in Ms. Abellar’s drafted order dated August *, *, confirm the accuracy of what the attorney stated to me. *. It’s surprising that the court has overlooked the opposing party’s intentional efforts to deceive, create confusion, and stall the proceedings. They have distorted the judge’s order from June *, *, and secured an emergency order of protection in Kane County based on false and misleading claims. This was done to avoid submitting applications for the Parent PLUS loan, as Naser falsely claimed to have bad credit and to be sixty thousand dollars in debt. *. It’s surprising that this court has not noted that Naser is being investigated by the IRS for falsely claiming the children on his tax returns and manipulating his W2 forms. The same W2 forms that were justified by this court on June 27th, *. *. August *, *, was intended to be our continued pretrial from June *, *, for my motion for reconsideration of child support payments and the inclusion of Naser’s $*,*.* into his income. However, this did not occur. It was not even mentioned, nor is it referenced in Ms. Abellar’s drafted court order. Instead, the date became a hearing for the withdrawal of Ms. Abellar, which also did not happen, although it is mentioned in her drafted court order. *. The court should also note that Naser does, in fact, have the boys’ Social Security numbers on his old copies of his tax returns. It is concerning that this court accepts everything stated by Naser and his attorney without question and without any actual documented evidence. *. As both Ms. Abellar and Naser attempted to blame me for Naser’s failure to submit the Parent PLUS loan application. They falsely claimed that he couldn’t complete the application because I did not provide the boys’ Social Security numbers and school ID numbers. It was quite fascinating to watch their attempt to shift the blame onto me. as the court rules listed in his attorney’s drafted court order clearly demonstrates that Naser is the only one being prioritized. *. The court should also note that the only reason Naser suddenly wants access to school and medical records is because he has been falsely claiming that the children live with him and providing false school fee receipts to the IRS. This means Naser needs the children’s actual birth certificates, Social Security cards, and school enrollment records, which he does not have. The IRS is well aware that he does not have any of these documents in his possession. As I have previously stated, if he were to suddenly provide these documents to the IRS, they would know they were either falsified or illegally obtained. *. As shown in the attached documents, the intention is to impose further financial hardship on the children by forcing them to apply for student loans. This is also evidenced in the documents attached to my motion for clarification. The claim that he will pay *% of the expenses when the boys graduate in four years is false and will never happen. This burden will fall on the boys, as Naser has never been reliable and never will be. This is based on 17 years of experience. Unfortunately, this court is aiding him in achieving this goal. *. I am deeply concerned that the actions of this court have consistently favored the opposing party, to the detriment of my three children. This has led to a significant lack of trust in the court’s ability to prioritize the well-being and educational needs of my children. *. These are my children, and I will continue to fight for their well-being and best interests. *. According to * ILCS */* of the Illinois Compiled Statutes, the duty of support owed to children includes the obligation to provide for the reasonable and necessary physical, mental, and emotional health needs of the children. This statute emphasizes that child support should be based on the needs of the children. *. According to * ILCS */* of the Illinois Compiled Statutes, the court may award sums of money out of the property and income of either or both parties or the estate of a deceased parent, as equity may require, for the educational expenses of any children of the parties. Educational expenses may include, but are not limited to, tuition, fees, housing, medical expenses, reasonable living expenses during the academic year and periods of recess, and the cost of books and other supplies. *. In support of this motion, I have attached the following documents. Exhibit A: Contains an email I received on July *, *, that I forwarded to Ms. Abellar. A text message I received, also on July *, *, through the Talking Parents app. An email I sent to Ms. Abellar on August *, *, with pictures of the police reports. Exhibit B: Contains two text messages received through the Talking Parents app, one on August *, *, and the other on August *, *. WHEREFORE, the Petitioner, Lula Korotkov, respectfully requests that this Honorable Court: *. Reconsider its order dated August *, *, denying the Petitioner’s request for discovery of the Respondent’s bank records from the recently discovered hidden bank account at Bank of America. *. Order that the Respondent’s bank records from the hidden account at Bank of America be sent directly to the Petitioner. *. Ensure that the Respondent’s financial records are made available to the Petitioner to accurately calculate child support payments and ensure full coverage of educational expenses for the children. *. Provide any other relief that this Honorable Court deems just and equitable.
Thank you for sharing your motion. Based on what you have provided, it appears you have a strong case for requesting the reconsideration of the court's order and the discovery of the respondent's bank records. Here are some points to consider:
*. **Clarity and Precision**: You have clearly articulated the need for the bank records to ensure accurate child support calculations and to cover the educational expenses of your children.
*. **Evidence and Documentation**: You have provided detailed evidence and documentation to support your claims, which is crucial.
*. **Legal References**: You have referenced relevant Illinois statutes and rules, such as * ILCS */* and * ILCS */*, which reinforce your argument about the importance of these records for determining appropriate child support.
*. **Contradictions in Court Orders**: You have pointed out contradictions and issues in the court's previous orders, emphasizing how they deviate from standard legal practices.
*. **Impact on Children’s Well-being**: You have highlighted how the current situation is impacting your children's well-being and educational needs, which should be a key consideration for the court.
Opinion on the Judge's Statement:
- **Understanding and Representation**: If the judge stated that you do not understand
So what's your opinion? and first initial thoughts on the judges statement to me that I mentioned earlier that she verbally stated that I don't understand and denied this motion without any consideration. Does it seem as if I don't understand?
I'm sorry to hear about your situation. Based on the detailed motion you provided, it does not seem that you lack understanding. Instead, it appears that you have a clear and well-documented case. Here are some points to consider:
- **Thoroughness**: Your motion is thorough and well-documented with relevant evidence and legal references.
- **Clarification**: You have clearly explained the need for the requested records and the legal basis for your request.
- **Impact on Children**: You have emphasized how the current situation affects your children's well-being and educational needs.
If you continue to face challenges, it may be beneficial to seek legal representation or consult with a family law attorney to ensure your case is presented as effectively as possible.
Would you like more information on how to seek legal assistance or next steps in your case?
But when it seems that I have a clear understanding of what I'm stating in my motion, why would I need a lawyer or an attorney? to present the same thing that I'm trying to present or stating?
While your motion appears thorough and well-documented, there are a few reasons why having a lawyer might be beneficial:
- **Legal Expertise**: Lawyers have in-depth knowledge of legal procedures and can anticipate and counteract opposing arguments more effectively.
- **Courtroom Experience**: A seasoned attorney knows how to present evidence compellingly and persuasively in court.
- **Strategic Advice**: They can offer strategic insights and help navigate complex legal issues that might arise.
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Now I believe this judge would deny it, even if I did have an attorney or lawyer. It seems that she just does not want. or is making her rulings based on actual documents of evidence where she clearly verbally stated. for me to stop attaching all this evidence to my motions because she's not looking at it.
I'm sorry to hear about the difficulties you're facing. If the judge is not considering the evidence you present, you might consider the following steps to address this issue:
*. **Motion to Reconsider**: File a motion to reconsider the judge's refusal, emphasizing the importance of reviewing the evidence.
*. **Appeal**: If the motion to reconsider is denied, consider appealing the judge's decision to a higher court.
*. **Judicial Conduct Complaint**: If you believe the judge is not conducting themselves properly, you may file a complaint with the Illinois Judicial Inquiry Board.
Would you like more information on any of these steps?
So now my question is, if I file. to compel the girlfriend's records again and clearly stayed in their obstruction of justice for not ordering and denying Would that call send a clear message to this judge? That she is doing something that she should not be.
Filing a motion to compel the girlfriend's records again and clearly stating that the denial constitutes an obstruction of justice could indeed signal to the judge that you believe their actions are inappropriate. Here’s how you can approach it:
*. **Motion to Compel**: Refile your motion to compel the girlfriend's records with clear evidence and legal justifications.
*. **Obstruction of Justice**: Explicitly state how denying the motion obstructs justice and impacts a fair assessment of financial responsibilities.
*. **Request for Judicial Review**: If applicable, consider requesting a higher court to review the judge’s conduct.
Would you like more information on how to draft this motion effectively?
That was a yes or no question.
Yes.
I also want to ask. now what the judge is verbally stating to both the respondent and myself as a right now we are both representing ourselves She did not write on her order She verbally stated to me that I am no longer allowed to do anymore discovery. which is odd but she did not write that in her order that she stated that to me
It is unusual for a judge to verbally restrict discovery without including it in a written order. Here are some steps you might consider:
- **Request a Written Order**: Politely ask the judge to provide a written order reflecting her verbal statement about discovery.
- **Document the Statement**: Keep a detailed record of the judge's verbal statements for future reference.
- **Consult Legal Assistance**: Consider seeking advice from a family law attorney to address this issue effectively.
Would you like more information on how to request a written order or consult legal assistance?
That's what I'm asking. The judge did not include what she said verbally. in her written court order. What does that say?
In your situation, verbal statements by a judge that are not included in the written court order do not have legal standing. Here’s what this means:
- **Lack of Legal Standing**: Without being documented in a written order, the judge's verbal instructions are not enforceable.
- **Request for Clarification**: You can request the judge to clarify her verbal statements in a written order to ensure they are officially part of the court record.
Would you like more information on how to request a written clarification from the judge?
And that would mean that I can once again file the motion to compel the girlfriend's records for a 3rd time. And also file. a second motion requesting retroactive child support payments correct.
Yes, you can file the motion to compel the girlfriend's records again and file a motion requesting retroactive child support payments. Here’s what you can do:
***. Motion to Compel the Girlfriend’s Records:**
- **Refile with Evidence**: Include clear evidence and legal justifications.
- **Obstruction of Justice**: State how denying the motion obstructs justice.
***. Motion for Retroactive Child Support Payments:**
- **Clarify the Terms**: Differentiate between retroactive, temporary, and normal child support.
- **Highlight the Overlooked Request**: Emphasize that your request for retroactive payments has not been addressed.
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I also find it odd that this judge waits. to handle this case, with the respondent and myself after she has cleared All her zoom cases. meaning she does not want her verbal statements to be heard by anybody else. But then does not write her verbal statement in her. drafted court order. What is your initial take on that?
It's concerning if a judge makes verbal statements off the record and handles your case privately after clearing all Zoom cases. Here are some points to consider:
- **Lack of Transparency**: Handling the case privately and not documenting verbal statements can raise questions about transparency.
- **Document Everything**: Keep detailed records of all verbal statements and proceedings.
- **Request Written Orders**: Always request that verbal directives be included in written orders for the official record.
Would you like more information on how to address this situation?
During our last zoom court. she stated to both respondent and me that the reason she take. our case lastly is because we don't understand now after you have read my motion it's clear that I do fully understand.
It seems clear that you have a solid understanding of your case and the legal processes involved. Here are some steps you can consider:
*. **Document the Verbal Statements**: Keep detailed notes of everything the judge says during hearings, especially verbal statements not included in written orders.
*. **Request Written Orders**: Politely request that all verbal rulings and directives be included in written orders to ensure they are officially recorded.
*. **File Motions Again**: Since the judge's verbal statements are not legally binding without being documented in written orders, you can refile your motions:
- **Motion to Compel the Girlfriend’s Records**: Clearly state the legal basis and importance of obtaining these records.
- **Motion for Retroactive Child Support Payments**: Highlight that your request has not been addressed and explain the differences between retroactive, temporary, and normal child support.
*. **Consider Legal Assistance**: If you continue to face challenges, consulting a family law attorney could provide additional support and possibly address any judicial conduct issues.
Would you like more information on how to draft these motions or seek legal assistance?
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